We’re not sure if this is a sign of a good friend or not, but Page Six is reporting that Hoda Kotb said Kathie Lee Gifford intentionally threw her for a loop on live TV after mentioning her horrible history with Valentine’s Day, to show she can “handle anything.”

Apparently, Hoda told Kathy she hates the holiday because it’s when she met her first husband — it’s also the day her divorce papers were delivered years later.

“I go, ‘Good morning, everyone! Happy Valentine’s Day!’” Hoda remembered saying on-air. “And Kath looks at me and says, ‘Not for you!’ I died. And for a minute I was [disoriented]. It was a real moment, and then after that I was like — I can handle anything.”

Kathy added, “You can handle anything. I did that because I wanted the woman in the makeup room to do the show with me, and that was the process.”

Hoda replied, “I was always scared of Kathie, because you never knew what she was going to say, and she would have like a glint in her eye that would happen moments before the grenade dropped.”