Chris Evans totally doesn’t think he’s hot, and he spoke about why with Bim Adewunmi and Nichole Perkins.

“Oh, man! Goodness…I still feel like I’m just trying to pull a fast one over on people,” the Captain America actor chuckled. “You don’t know what I look like first thing in the morning! It’s rough!”

He added, “If you look back on some of my photos from childhood, it was not kind. I had a really bumpy road, and I think like most of us, we still feel like that—no matter what. No matter what happens, we kind of connect to that chapter in life when you first start exploring the feelings of comparison,” the actor continued. “It’s usually connected to when you start noticing the people you’re attracted to—somewhere around 9, 10, 11—when you first start coming into your own sexuality and start seeing how you stack up. That was probably one of the roughest chapters of my life! And so I think—for most people—you kind of stay in that suspended state.”